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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Feb 12, 2007 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: thank you archive

i know music is subjective and if frank zappa was alive he would say shut up.i was at one of my local sites i get shows from and reading the reviews of a new upload which one reviewer made it sound like the show was the gem of that year,so i came here to stream it before i downloaded it and i'm glad i did because this show blows big time,jerry ready to fall over.very poor peformance imho.if it wasn't for the archive i would have downloaded a shitty show imho,so for that i thank the archive.i also want to know am i the only one that thinks thatnot every dead show is great?this coming from someone who only got to see them in the 90's and i saw some duds let me tell you,try to survive wave to the wind,broken arrow and shoe fits all played in the same night lol i think they even played samba in the rain.just curious if i'm the only one.then again everything is subjective.

This post was modified by tigerbolt on 2007-02-13 04:27:24

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Feb 13, 2007 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: thank you archive

The interesting thing is, I've found that no matter how much I think a show sucks swampwater, there's some Deadhead somehwere who would list it among his favorites.

Generally speaking I think the Dead played plenty of shows where they were kind of flat, but I've only come across a handful that I thought were truly awful start to finish.

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Poster: countmlbjam Date: Feb 13, 2007 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: thank you archive

I agree with a lot of what all of you are saying. To be a truly great show I think it has to have 2 hot sets. Not one outstanding set and a clunker for another. Otherwise, we'd label that a great set not a complete show. Also, I'm not going to try and disuade anyone about liking a particular show. I, to this day, have never gotten it over 10-9-89. But I'm not going to tell people they are crazy. I know the historic importance of the show and I love the "Death" and "Attics" but the rest is average to me.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 13, 2007 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: thank you archive

If you take into account the whole body of work, maybe 5percent of the shows were "great." Let's face it, subjective or not, if you check all the boxes, you are incapable of discerning true greatness over excellent or even adequate. Even if you like the post retirement stuff--well. Look at 1977. Spend a month with it, and you will find one or two shows that transcend even the great quality of that year. Yeah, you can debate which is the best or which were great--but there are those that will rise above the others. I think that there are around ten great ones in 1969--my favorite years-- and quite a few mediocre or mixed shows. The DS from 2-27 IS great. As is the DS from 3-01. But after that, the Stars range from "eh" to "delightful" until later in the year. 1972? Not all of the europe 72 shows are great start to finish, though as a whole the tour was great. Ditto the Fall of 1972--though 8-27 an 11-19 stand out.

Besides--what makes a great show? A few standouts? Rarities? Generally flawless playing. To me, a great show comes out of the box on all six cylinders and never lets up for a minute. It is not formulaic, but is unique in its own way. And the jam has no wasted notes, no false directions, no hesitation.
The great ones take no prisoners.

Most important, as this thread will show, great is 90 percent subjective--which is, well, great.

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Feb 12, 2007 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: thank you archive

Yeah I'm pretty sure arbuthnot is right. Oh except the show your talking about.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Feb 13, 2007 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: thank you archive

I'm on your side on this one. Having seen my share of shows, there were definitely ones that left me empty, especially in the months leading up to his coma and then again in the last couple of years before his demise. Not all were bad, but not all were stellar either. Now I had a great time at every show I went to, but speaking specifically about the music (and the music only), there was a dud or two along the way, and after going back and listening to the shows on tape, some are even worse than I remember and there were even a couple of shows that I really liked at the time which now leave me flat. So I will say that every show in itself is a great experience of family and sharing, but not necessarily great musical performances. Kill me now if you wish.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 12, 2007 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: thank you archive

uhh, tiger, hate to say it man, but i think you're the only one ...